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Old 04-22-2008, 06:49 AM
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Rockets down 2-0: Loads of chances and one incredible call

These are the games that keep players up at night.

It's not just one crucial, stunning, controversial call.

It's the shots the Jazz nailed at the buzzer. It's the missed free throws. It's the rebound, off the side of the backboard, in the game's last minute. It's Tracy McGrady going from great for three quarters to gassed in the fourth.

But there is that call, too.

Keep this in mind.

"It's not a good way to take a loss by pointing a finger at the ref. that game," Luis Scola said. "We did not lose because of that at all."

He's right, and pretty classy, too.

The Rockets, however, hated, hated, hated that call.

With Andrei Kirilenko running to the corner to defend Tracy McGrady, Scola reached out a hand and held him off. Kirilenko flailed as if he had been shot. McGrady passed to Bobby Jackson. Jackson nailed the 3 to tie the game while official Tony Brothers waived off the shot, calling Scola for holding Kirilenko with 45.4 seconds left. The Rockets never recovered.

"All I can say is look at that play," Rockets coach Rick Adelman said. "He put his hand on Kirilenko's shoulder. Kirilenko fell back like a a truck just hit him. You're going to make that call? At that time? Of this game? Just six second before Luis went to the basket and he got hammered. The same guy (Tony Brothers) didn't make the call. All the stuff that went on in that game, you're going to make that call at that time? I have a really hard time with that.

"He literally flopped. Let the players decide it. We tie the game, let's see if they can win. That obviously changed everything."

Scola, however, put himself in jeopardy of having that call made. When you extend an arm, as in a drive, it draws the official's attention.

The wrong official made the call. The league changed that in recent seasons. Though Brothers was closest, the call is supposed to belong to the top official, in this case Bennett Salvatore. Brothers was looking at McGrady, though he likely had enough peripheral vision to see Scola's arm extended. Salvatore did not blow his whistle.

The biggest problem, however, is that Kirilenko might have gotten the call with a great acting job. Maybe Scola held him off. Maybe Scola only touched him. It is difficult to tell because Kirilenko acted as if he were hit by a two-by-four.

This is why the league has to address flopping. Acting is not supposed to be a basketball skill.

It was a tough call because Scola did reach out and touch someone. If that is all he did, it should not be called. In a game that rough, a touch foul should not be so crucial. But the league asks its officials to judge whether fouls are real or just well-acted. Kirilenko did a lot of big-time acting and it worked.

The game was never the same.

"You can't call that," McGrady said. "I saw a replay, and that was a bad call. I like Tony Brothers, but that was a bad call. Very, very bad call. Three points down at a crucial point in the game and Kirilenko flops - he flops - and you call the foul on that? It was a bad call. It was a bad call."

The Rockets might have lost, anyway. Jackson's shot would have only tied it. But we'll never know.

There were plenty of other things to keep them up at night. But before heads hit the pillow, you know they spent a lot of time watching the replays of that call.
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Old 04-22-2008, 08:02 PM
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Suns up 26-12 over the Spurs early. Suns look possessed so far.
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I'll admit I was wrong about New Orleans in the playoffs. I know they are good but I'd thought the more seasoned Mavs team would have split the first two.

If Dallas doesn't advance Cuban blows up the team. Johnson could be in the race for the Knicks job.
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Old 04-22-2008, 09:22 PM
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The Suns absolutely cant do anything right in the third quarter of this game. Its the worst stretch of basketball I've seen out of them since they've had Nash.
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I'll admit I was wrong about New Orleans in the playoffs. I know they are good but I'd thought the more seasoned Mavs team would have split the first two.

If Dallas doesn't advance Cuban blows up the team. Johnson could be in the race for the Knicks job.
I didn't think Dallas had a chance in this series because I just assumed there was no possible way Kidd could defend Chris Paul or even make Paul work. Paul has made Kidd look absolutely lousy in this series.
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the only thing the mavs have going for them now is NO's record in dallas, not sure what it was, but last i heard, it wasn't anything to write home about. of course with NO's up 2-0 and paul playing like crazy, things could change
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Spurs are outscoring the Suns 21-9 in the 3rd quarter.
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Old 04-22-2008, 09:50 PM
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The Suns just look terrible tonight. I'm thisclose to finally admitting that they cant beat the Spurs, but not quite there yet.

They have no answer for the penetrating of Parker and Flopper Ginobili, and they cant win when all they do is shoot jump shots, which is what they have been reduced to doing in the second half of this game.
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the only thing the mavs have going for them now is NO's record in dallas, not sure what it was, but last i heard, it wasn't anything to write home about. of course with NO's up 2-0 and paul playing like crazy, things could change
J-Kidd is one of my favorite players of his era but ever since he screwed up his knee in the 2004 playoffs against Detroit, he has been an absolutely horrible defender. It's sad to watch because from 1995-2004, the only point guard who was better than him defensively was GP (and Kidd was better than GP from about 2002 on). Any point guard that can penetrate quickly abuses him, which is exactly why I thought the Hornets would win this series. Like I said, it's sad watching Kidd. But it's awesome watching Paul.

Does anyone think Phoenix can sweep the two games at home? I don't. Which means I think the Spurs are going to win another championship. It sucks for Paul, who I'm sure was looking forward to destroying Steve Nash in a seven-game series after he abused him in all of their regular season meetings.
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They have no answer for the penetrating of Parker and Flopper Ginobili, and they cant win when all they do is shoot jump shots, which is what they have been reduced to doing in the second half of this game.
I've always felt one of the main reasons Phoenix has routinely lost to San Antonio in the playoffs is because Nash is such a poor defender. His defensive inability makes it really difficult for them to stop opposing offenses that are set up by a quick point guard.
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Does anyone think Phoenix can sweep the two games at home? I don't. Which means I think the Spurs are going to win another championship. It sucks for Paul, who I'm sure was looking forward to destroying Steve Nash in a seven-game series after he abused him in all of their regular season meetings.
At this point, it doesnt look good for the Suns. That double OT loss looks like a killer.

Maybe the Lakers can knock off the Spurs. I'd love to see New Orleans beat the Spurs.
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I've always felt one of the main reasons Phoenix has routinely lost to San Antonio in the playoffs is because Nash is such a poor defender. His defensive inability makes it really difficult for them to stop opposing offenses that are set up by a quick point guard.
Could be, except that they put Nash on Bowen, who rarely scores unless its a 3 from the corner. They have Bell and Hill and Barbosa guard the likes of Parker and Gino and Finley.
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It doesn't help Phoenix that Amare is a piss poor defender too. It's never good when your two best players are atrocious defensively.
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Could be, except that they put Nash on Bowen, who rarely scores unless its a 3 from the corner. They have Bell and Hill and Barbosa guard the likes of Parker and Gino and Finley.
Right but those guys aren't quick enough to defend the better point guards in the league. They can defend a guy like Ginobili more easily than a guy like Parker. The one guy they used to be able to put on Parker was Marion but then that meant they had no shot of defending Duncan because putting Amare on Duncan was useless.

Their best hope of victory against San Antonio was cloning Marion so that he and his clone could defend both Parker and Duncan.
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One wonders if the Suns would have been better off keeping Marion. Not sure if Shaq makes them any better, and he arguably makes them worse. The Suns just arent as fast and quick as they used to be when they had him instead of Shaq, and Grant Hill doesnt add anything to their team, really. Hes another one that is old and cant defend vs the likes of Gino or Parker.
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The Suns need to acquire Ron Artest. Someone who is tough, defends, and has a take no prisoners attitude.
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Shit, while I'm sitting here moaning about how the Suns cant beat the Spurs, they've cut it to 5 with 2:16 left.
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I didn't think Dallas had a chance in this series because I just assumed there was no possible way Kidd could defend Chris Paul or even make Paul work. Paul has made Kidd look absolutely lousy in this series.

Boy, that is an understatement...hell, JJ Barea might as well be out there guarding Paul...although to be fair, Paul is just awesome...

I agree with what the Sheriff said, too...if the Mavs lose in the first round again, I think Cuban gives Avery the short haircut...he can't seem to figure out that you can't try to play Spurs-style basketball when your center is Erick Dampier and not Tim Duncan...for some reason he is unwilling to adapt his system to the players he has as opposed to trying to make them fit into his system...

Dirk coming back from the high ankle sprain long before anyone expected may have been the death knell for Avery...without Dirk, he has an excuse that maybe buys him one more chance next year...if they get knocked out with him in there, Avery has alot to answer for...

Ah well...at least I had low expectations coming into this series so I'll be less disappointed when the final nail goes in the coffin...
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One wonders if the Suns would have been better off keeping Marion. Not sure if Shaq makes them any better, and he arguably makes them worse. The Suns just arent as fast and quick as they used to be when they had him instead of Shaq, and Grant Hill doesnt add anything to their team, really. Hes another one that is old and cant defend vs the likes of Gino or Parker.
I still have no problem with the Shaq trade. They couldn't beat the Spurs with the team as it used to be so they had to try something else.
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Boy, that is an understatement...hell, JJ Barea might as well be out there guarding Paul...although to be fair, Paul is just awesome...

I agree with what the Sheriff said, too...if the Mavs lose in the first round again, I think Cuban gives Avery the short haircut...he can't seem to figure out that you can't try to play Spurs-style basketball when your center is Erick Dampier and not Tim Duncan...for some reason he is unwilling to adapt his system to the players he has as opposed to trying to make them fit into his system...

Dirk coming back from the high ankle sprain long before anyone expected may have been the death knell for Avery...without Dirk, he has an excuse that maybe buys him one more chance next year...if they get knocked out with him in there, Avery has alot to answer for...

Ah well...at least I had low expectations coming into this series so I'll be less disappoint