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Ginobili is a flopping fool but he can play.
He's very good, but even the announcers were pointing out all game long that he and Kurt Thomas (and probably some others on the Spurs) like to flop.

Someone in the West, if not the Suns, will take care of the team that is collectively the biggest flopping and whining team in recent memory.
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He's very good, but even the announcers were pointing out all game long that he and Kurt Thomas (and probably some others on the Spurs) like to flop.

Someone in the West, if not the Suns, will take care of the team that is collectively the biggest flopping and whining team in recent memory.
The whiner is complaining about whining. Good stuff.
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That Suns-Spurs game was sick. Tim Duncan with a 3-pointer?!?!
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He's very good, but even the announcers were pointing out all game long that he and Kurt Thomas (and probably some others on the Spurs) like to flop.

Someone in the West, if not the Suns, will take care of the team that is collectively the biggest flopping and whining team in recent memory.
The Spurs aren't nearly as bad at either flopping or whining as the 2000-2004 Sacramento Kings. Vlade Divac is arguably the biggest flopper in league history and no coach has ever cried about the officiating or made more excuses for his team choking spectacularly (which has been a rather regular occurrence throughout his coaching career) than Rick Adelman.
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sure is a bit of a snore fest today
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This isnt the first time you got your facts wrong, at least with me.

I am not a Mavs fan. I like the Suns, New Orleans, Lakers, and probably one or two other teams in the West better than I like the Mavs.

Just because two years ago I rooted for the Mavs to beat the Heat you think I'm a Mavs fan. Hilarious.
Read again, Raz. Nowhere does my text indicate that you are a Mavs fan. And while I may be wrong at times about some things (lord knows you definitely are, too) I'm not wrong here. Fact is, you have rooted for the Mavs and against the Spurs. What's hilarious is your incessant harping of SA's style of play regarding some of their starters - hell, basically the entire team. We heard you the first time, the second, and even the third. We get it. You don't like the Spurs. You want them to lose. You believe they get the officiating benefit of the doubt far too regularly. Dunc is a whiny bitch. Manu is a flopping fish, et. al. We know, we know...we...all...know.
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The Spurs aren't nearly as bad at either flopping or whining as the 2000-2004 Sacramento Kings. Vlade Divac is arguably the biggest flopper in league history and no coach has ever cried about the officiating or made more excuses for his team choking spectacularly (which has been a rather regular occurrence throughout his coaching career) than Rick Adelman.
Can't blame Rick bitching about the calls that went the Laker's way during game six the Western Conf. finals one year. It used to be the standard of horrible playoff officiating until the Mavs/Heat finals. You'd think there was a ref on th take it was so bad.
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Can't blame Rick bitching about the calls that went the Laker's way during game six the Western Conf. finals one year. It used to be the standard of horrible playoff officiating until the Mavs/Heat finals. You'd think there was a ref on th take it was so bad.
I'll admit, I'm a long-time Spurs fan, and they've been the beneficiary of some questionable calls, to be sure. As did Chicago, the Lakers, Boston, etc, etc. Today's officiating is not up to snuff, and that may be a compliment. Basically it is lacking. But I certainly don't profess to be any better at officiating from the comfort of my great room as they are in real time. The game is fast, players are big and fast. It's not an easy job.

That said, any coach worth his salt would tell his team to identify how the came is being called, and inform his players to dictate their style of play accordingly. Does SA cry too much? I have no idea what "too much" is, but, yes, they do tend to question their fouls a lot sometimes. Do they flop? Yes, but so do Terry, Dirk, Nash, and any good defensive player in hopes of receiving the call in their favor. Like it or not, it's a major part of the game. The players are simply playing the defensive-latitude cards the league has dealt them, that's why I usually don't publicly bitch about officiating. But as much as SA may harp on officiating that goes against them, more times than not they (through stellar execution) put themselves in position to make the big play and win championships through hard, fair play. Yesterday was one such legendary example. Win or lose, they are excellent representatives for the league.
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I'll admit, I'm a long-time Spurs fan, and they've been the beneficiary of some questionable calls, to be sure. As did Chicago, the Lakers, Boston, etc, etc. Today's officiating is not up to snuff, and that may be a compliment. Basically it is lacking. But I certainly don't profess to be any better at officiating from the comfort of my great room as they are in real time. The game is fast, players are big and fast. It's not an easy job.

That said, any coach worth his salt would tell his team to identify how the came is being called, and inform his players to dictate their style of play accordingly. Does SA cry too much? I have no idea what "too much" is, but, yes, they do tend to question their fouls a lot sometimes. Do they flop? Yes, but so do Terry, Dirk, Nash, and any good defensive player in hopes of receiving the call in their favor. Like it or not, it's a major part of the game. The players are simply playing the defensive-latitude cards the league has dealt them, that's why I usually don't publicly bitch about officiating. But as much as SA may harp on officiating that goes against them, more times than not they (through stellar execution) put themselves in position to make the big play and win championships through hard, fair play. Yesterday was one such legendary example. Win or lose, they are excellent representatives for the league.
Officiating in the NBA is a joke and as long as hacks like Bennett Salvatore continue to come back each and every year it will continue to be a joke. You would have thought with the huge scandel of an actual NBA offical found to be involved in fixing games things would have changed. Instead Stern swept it under the rug and simply told refs to hand out technicals when players complained.

I don't think there is a big conspiracy where certain teams get better calls than others. I just think it is so bad that at times it appears that way.

The blocking/charging call is a coin flip. Superstars always get better treatment. Officals can easily be swayed by the crowd. They have no idea how to officiate big men. Officials can't spot flops. What is called in one quarter won't always be called in another.

The pace and physcial nature of the game has changed. Sadly the officials haven't been able to keep up with the changes.

But hey. It is more important that Iverson doesn't dress like a 12 year old who found Master P's closest than to get the game called right.
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Read again, Raz. Nowhere does my text indicate that you are a Mavs fan.
This is what you wrote...

Just think of all the "fun" we're bound to have with Mavs rooters, Razzy and ppg this post season.

While it may not have been your intent, one could definitely read that and interpret it as saying that I am a Mavs fan. Especially when ppg happens to be a Mavs fan, I'm pretty sure, and it appears that you are trying to associate me with him.

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And while I may be wrong at times about some things (lord knows you definitely are, too) I'm not wrong here. Fact is, you have rooted for the Mavs and against the Spurs.
So in one sentence, you claim that you didnt call me a Mavs fan, and in the next, you said that you arent wrong about me being a Mavs fan? That doesnt make any sense.

Yes, I've rooted for the Mavs in the past but that doesnt make me a general Mavs fan. Get it? I dont wear Mavs hats and T-shirts, I dont have a poster of Dirk Nowitzki or Josh Howard on my wall, I didnt throw a hissy fit or jump for joy when they made the Jason Kidd trade, and I dont go out of my way to watch their games or follow their team. There are about 10 teams in the NBA that I'd do those things with before the Mavs.

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What's hilarious is your incessant harping of SA's style of play regarding some of their starters - hell, basically the entire team. We heard you the first time, the second, and even the third. We get it. You don't like the Spurs. You want them to lose. You believe they get the officiating benefit of the doubt far too regularly. Dunc is a whiny bitch. Manu is a flopping fish, et. al. We know, we know...we...all...know.
Hey, I just thought that you'd like a reminder

I'm sure I'll remind you again before the playoffs are over.
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The Spurs aren't nearly as bad at either flopping or whining as the 2000-2004 Sacramento Kings. Vlade Divac is arguably the biggest flopper in league history and no coach has ever cried about the officiating or made more excuses for his team choking spectacularly (which has been a rather regular occurrence throughout his coaching career) than Rick Adelman.
I didnt watch many of their games, but everyone knows that Vlade was a big flopper.

He's probably an assistant coach for the Spurs now.

Or hes back in Europe teaching Flopping 101.
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Yes, I've rooted for the Mavs in the past but that doesnt make me a general Mavs fan. Get it!
Oh, I get it, but do you? You can root for a team to defeat another and not be a fan. For instance, I'll root for the Cubs to defeat a team looking to overtake Stl in a heartbeat, but promptly resume my hatred for Chicago once their series is over.

Fact is, you have rooted for the Mavs when they've played against SA. Or are you simply saying you root against SA anytime, regardless of who they play? You'll probably indicate the latter, and that's cool. Thing is, however, your vitriol for SA is always on full display, as has - it seems - your defense of Mavs players, so what is one to assume? I've differentiated you from ppg, a true Mavs fan. But if you are not, your previous posts in defense of Mavs players over the years (not to mention the team as a whole) is very misleading. Either way, it's not that critical one way or another. Just find it interesting how you continue to play the same annual tune about the same team.
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Oh, I get it, but do you? You can root for a team to defeat another and not be a fan.
My point exactly!! Just because I rooted for the Mavs once or twice in my lifetime vs two teams that I didnt like doesnt make me a fan of the Mavs.

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Fact is, you have rooted for the Mavs when they've played against SA. Or are you simply saying you root against SA anytime, regardless of who they play? You'll probably indicate the latter, and that's cool. Thing is, however, your vitriol for SA is always on full display, as has - it seems - your defense of Mavs players, so what is one to assume? I've differentiated you from ppg, a true Mavs fan. But if you are not, your previous posts in defense of Mavs players over the years (not to mention the team as a whole) is very misleading. Either way, it's not that critical one way or another. Just find it interesting how you continue to play the same annual tune about the same team.
Groove, I seriously think that you have me confused with someone else. I have not defended Mavs players "over the years". Can you even find any examples of this? I did root for the Mavs to beat the Heat in the Finals in 06, and if the Mavs played the Spurs in recent series, then I certainly rooted for the Mavs then too. But you are correct, I'd root for any team to defeat the Spurs.

So does this post mean that you were indeed calling me a "Mavs fan" originally?

Because between your various contradictory posts on this matter, I'm still somewhat confused.

The only NBA team that one could correctly label me as being a fan of is the Suns. I like their style of play and I love watching Nash play.
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even though this is just game 2, a little advice for washington, next year if you play the cavs again, shut up
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If Rockets end up going down 0-2 they can only blame themselves. They missed 11 free throws in game one and already 8 tonight. They are like Memphis.

Mix in all the missed layups from both games and this is why I'm not watching. Just checking the box score.
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And there you go. Rockets lose by a few points in a game where they miss 10 free throws and something close to 105 layups. It was like they simply showed a replay of game one.

The last two playoff series it was the Rockets that started out 2-0 only to lose in 7 games. I'd like to think they are trying to turn the tables but odds are they are going to get swept. Hard to beat the Jazz at home with all that heathen magic coming from the stands.

McGrady one assist away from a triple double but you won't hear about that because the easy story is how he can't win in the playoffs even though his regular vs. postseason point spread is the highest amoung active players.

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