Lost Season 4: GDT - Page 2

Schwahalala · #26 02-01-2008, 06:56 AM

So um - who was the brother and why does he want to know if there are others on the Island?

Why does Charlie want Hurley to go back to the Island to help?

In the flashforward with Jack. Hurley says I shouldn't have went with Locke. But then contradicts himself by saying they should go back. At that point Jack (before beard) doesn't want to but later does.

So if there are 6 - and one is dead - we know Hurley, Kate, Jack is Sawyer is one whose the last one.

chazzz · #27 02-01-2008, 07:47 AM

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So um - who was the brother and why does he want to know if there are others on the Island?

Why does Charlie want Hurley to go back to the Island to help?

In the flashforward with Jack. Hurley says I shouldn't have went with Locke. But then contradicts himself by saying they should go back. At that point Jack (before beard) doesn't want to but later does.

So if there are 6 - and one is dead - we know Hurley, Kate, Jack is Sawyer is one whose the last one.

Maybe Claire is still there and Charlie wants Hurley to help her.

sketch · #28 02-01-2008, 08:06 AM

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Maybe Claire is still there and Charlie wants Hurley to help her.

that's not bad. I agree that there has to be more to it than only 6 surviving. That is a lot of characters to kill in 48 shows. It would have to turn into a slasher picture of something. Wait, Jacob does seem to be out of Friday the 13th

Schwahalala · #29 02-01-2008, 09:32 AM

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that's not bad. I agree that there has to be more to it than only 6 surviving. That is a lot of characters to kill in 48 shows. It would have to turn into a slasher picture of something. Wait, Jacob does seem to be out of Friday the 13th

After thinking about it some and reading a lost website - I have my own ideas.

Hurley far from being crazy - may be the key. He sees dead people - and has since he has been on the island.

Well - who else see's dead people?
Locke for one. If we assume Michael and Walt are dead. Locke not only sees dead people but talks to them.

When Ben shoots Locke he knows he isn't going to die. Has anyone wondered why Locke isn't dead - let alone wonder why he knifes Naomi and she doesn't die right away.

There is something strange about life and death on the island - Not just with the babies - but with too many people cheating death.

So I am going with a communication thing - between those alive and dead as the secret.

chazzz · #30 02-01-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Schwahalala

After thinking about it some and reading a lost website - I have my own ideas.

Hurley far from being crazy - may be the key. He sees dead people - and has since he has been on the island.

Well - who else see's dead people?
Locke for one. If we assume Michael and Walt are dead. Locke not only sees dead people but talks to them.

When Ben shoots Locke he knows he isn't going to die. Has anyone wondered why Locke isn't dead - let alone wonder why he knifes Naomi and she doesn't die right away.

There is something strange about life and death on the island - Not just with the babies - but with too many people cheating death.

So I am going with a communication thing - between those alive and dead as the secret.

Add to that Mikail, that guy has been offed more than Kenny on Southpark.

Interesting theory you pose. Who was it that always saw Walt looking like he was all wet? I can't remember.

Glad this show is back.

Glovey · #31 02-01-2008, 01:27 PM

Shannon kept seeing Walt.

El Birdo 1 · #32 02-01-2008, 01:30 PM

It's too bad Shannon can't act....she looks good on TV.

Schwahalala · #33 02-01-2008, 02:09 PM

One other thing -

This is about the military - the ability to die and come back would be some kind of aid on the battlefield - that is why the military is looking for this island.

Remember the guy who trained Sahid - was also one of the guys on the island when it first started.

I am guessing this is the vortex - between life and death - the clock that needs to be reset - keeps the two worlds apart - except for people on the island - where the dead and the living walk freely.

Schwahalala · #34 02-01-2008, 02:18 PM

Final theory -

The island is a vortex between the living and the dead. The clock that has to be reset keeps the dead where they are and the living were they are.
Everyone who gets to the island is really suppossed to be dead. Plane crash or other victim.
On the island the dead and the living can co-exist. Ben shoots Locke but knows he will not die. Locke is healed by Walt. Ben is not surprised to see him.
Hurley is the key - because he can see dead people all the time. Far from being crazy, something gives him the ability that others can only have while on the island.
The guy who trained Sahid is from the Island. This guy was military. The military while trying to find a way for its soldiers to be revived on the battlefield stumbled across this.
All the people on the island have multiple connections. These are connections with the person that should have been dead but wasn't.
This is why there are no babies - no new babies - on the island - it is a sum zero. No new life can occur where the people are all technically dead.

El Birdo 1 · #35 02-01-2008, 02:35 PM

There is a baby on the island.

FatherDemon · #36 02-01-2008, 02:46 PM

I was trying to figure out why that wasn't as obvious to others as it was to me....

Schwahalala · #37 02-01-2008, 02:50 PM

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There is a baby on the island.

Baby on the island yes -

But did the islander have the baby?

Remember Juliet and her research?

Schwahalala · #38 02-01-2008, 02:50 PM

I guess I should have said no new babies.

Schwahalala · #39 02-01-2008, 03:14 PM

http://tviv.org/Lost/Juliet

Basic Information
[edit] Before Oceanic 815

Juliet was a fertility doctor working in Miami, Florida. She worked on a radical new fertility treatment which allowed a male mouse to become pregnant. Her sister, Rachel, became the first human test subject. However, Juliet treated her sister in secret until her ex-husband, who was also her supervisor, discovered what she was doing. He attempted to blackmail Juliet into working with him in exchange for keeping quiet about the possible ethical concerns. Richard Alpert, a representative of Mittelos Bioscience, courted Juliet in bringing her on board to further her work, but Juliet declined as her ex-husband wouldn't allow her anything; he would have to be hit by a bus for Juliet to leave. After the fertility treatment worked on Rachel, Juliet confronted her ex-husband but he was subsequently hit by a bus. At the morgue, Richard Alpert and his associate, Ethan Rom, asked her once again to come work with them.
Agreeing to Alpert's offer, Juliet signed confidentiality agreements and other paperwork for a six month stay at their facility, so she would return before Rachel gave birth. She did some research and discovered that no one in the medical community had heard of Mittelos Bioscience, but deep down she knew the place she was being taken to was special, and Alpert assured her she would see things there she could never have imagined. Due to the trip to the island being "intense", as Ethan put it, Juliet was tranquilized. She awoke aboard the Others' docked submarine and was greeted by Benjamin Linus.
Juliet learned she was recruited due to a problem the Others were having — all their pregnant women were dying. For some reason the mother's immune system turned on the pregnancy, treating it as a foreign invader. She worked with Ethan at The Staff to find a solution, but only witnessed many deaths from the mysterious problem. Six months into her stay, Juliet came to the conclusion that the problem occurred at conception and, if so, there was nothing she could do about it on the island. Ben refused to allow her to take one of the pregnant women off the island to prove her theory, so she asked him to let her go home. However, Ben informed her that Rachel's cancer returned and she was going to die. He offered to cure Rachel's cancer, that Jacob would take care of it himself, in exchange for her staying on the island and finding a solution to their problem. Juliet agreed to his offer.
Spending another two years and six months on the island in search of a seemingly unattainable solution, Juliet settled into life with the Others and became romantically involved with Goodwin while living at the barracks. Ben came to her with a pain in his back and had X-rays taken. Through these X-rays, Juliet discovered he had a large tumor on his spine. Told that no one on the island has developed cancer, Juliet believed Ben had lied to her about curing Rachel.
[edit] After Oceanic 815

[edit] The First 65 Days

The following day, Juliet was in the middle of a book club meeting with several Others at her house when they experienced a tremor. She and the group rushed outside to see the cause of the tremor when they witnessed Oceanic flight 815 breaking apart overhead. After Ben sent Goodwin and Ethan to infiltrate any survivors, Juliet was taken to The Flame. Mikhail Bakunin used the stations systems to uplink to Alpert who was filming a very much alive Rachel and her baby son. Ben wanted to prove to Juliet that he never lied to her, but refused to let her go home until she found a solution to their problem. She still believed it was impossible, but Ben told her they would keep finding more mothers until she found a solution.
One such mother came in the form of Oceanic survivor Claire Littleton. Blood samples taken by Ethan revealed she had the same symptoms as the women who conceived on the island. Juliet developed a serum to keep Claire alive during the late stages of her pregnancy, and Ethan administered the serum to her. The baby was important to the work in finding a solution, but Claire managed to escape with the help of Alexandra Rousseau and Ethan was killed while attempting to recover her. However, Juliet's serum seemingly worked as Claire and her baby lived.
[edit] Season Three

With the capture of Jack Shephard, Juliet became his jailer during his stay inside The Hydra. Ben chose Juliet for this role as he believed she bore a striking resemblance to Sarah, Jack's ex-wife, and believed it would help Juliet gain Jack's trust. Juliet shared detailed information about Jack's life prior to the Oceanic crash. She offered to tell Jack anything he wanted to know and, after he requested to know if his ex-wife was happy, told him she was. During her time gaining Jack's trust, Juliet prevented the escape of James "Sawyer" Ford after he was freed by Karl. She has also been seen at a construction site that the Others are making Sawyer and Kate Austen work at. During one of her visits there she prevented another escape attempt by Sawyer by threatening to shoot Kate. Afterwards, Sawyer confided to Kate that Juliet would have definitely shot and killed her.
Jack eventually learned that he was taken to perform spinal surgery on Ben. He refused, but Juliet tried to convince him to go through with it, secretly informing him via cue cards that Ben was a liar and very dangerous. She wanted Jack to let Ben die and make it look like an accident. Jack eventually agreed and Juliet assisted in the surgery, but Jack made an incision in Ben's kidney sack and held him hostage in order to free Kate and Sawyer. Ben awoke from the anesthesia and offered to let Juliet finally go home if she helped Jack's friends escape and let him live. Juliet accepted Ben's offer, but was forced to shoot and kill Danny Pickett when Pickett refused to let Sawyer go. This action has severe consequences as she was put on trial and condemned to be executed. Her life was saved when Jack agreed to help monitor Ben's condition and nurse him back to health if he saved Juliet's life. He agreed, but ordered to have Juliet marked instead of executed, leaving a marking burned into the flesh of her back.
As Jack's friends knew where to find The Hydra, the Others abandoned the station and returned to the barracks. Ben kept good to his word and about a week later he allowed Juliet and Jack to use the submarine to leave the island. However, Jack's rescue party found the barracks and John Locke used C-4 explosives from The Flame to destroy the sub. With her means to go home destroyed, Juliet agreed to a plan by Ben to infiltrate the Oceanic survivor's beach camp by appearing to have been left behind by the Others. While the other survivors were wary of Juliet, Jack vouched for her and allowed to her come back to the beach camp. An implant placed inside Claire during her stay at The Staff was activated by Ben, causing her to become violently ill. Juliet used a serum to "save" Claire, thereby easing the survivor's doubts in her and helping to further her infiltration.
After seeing Sun-Hwa Kwon's unborn child on an ultrasound, Juliet had second thoughts and informed Jack to the true nature of her being left behind by the Others. She was to mark the tents of the pregnant women and the Others were to raid the camp and take them. Tired of running from the Others, Jack hatched a plan with Juliet and Danielle Rousseau to booby trap the marked tents with dynamite from the Black Rock. While the trap was to be sprung on the Others, the survivors were to head to the radio transmitter on the island to turn off Rousseau's distress signal and then contact Naomi Dorrit's off-shore freighter with her satellite phone. However, Juliet revealed the existence of The Looking Glass, an underwater DHARMA station that was jamming all communication to and from the island. Desmond Hume and Charlie Pace volunteered to deactivate its jamming equipment while Juliet accompanied Jack, Danielle and the other survivors to the radio transmitter. That night the survivors witnessed the explosions from the trap, but something went wrong as not all three explosions were triggered. Juliet volunteered to go with Sawyer back to the camp and watched as Sawyer shot Tom in cold blood.

fzjjfk · #40 02-06-2008, 12:16 PM

Hopefully we get a few more answers this week.

Turd Ferguson · #41 02-06-2008, 01:05 PM

When Hurley saw Charlie swim up, Charlie had the words "They Need You" written on his palm.

OldSchoolStroker · #42 02-06-2008, 02:53 PM

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When Hurley saw Charlie swim up, Charlie had the words "They Need You" written on his palm.

Hurley is a fat.